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Tuesday, July 31, 2007

Final Draft 7 and CeltX comparison, review

CeltX and Final Draft 7 go Head to Head

Some time ago I was asked to consult on a script for a feature film and the ruff draft was sent to me in (any guesses?) Final Draft. Now I had used Final Draft some time ago (though never completed a script in it) and found that while nice, the convenient feature didn't seem to justify the price tag. At that time I also tried out Movie Magic Screenwriter which I found to have a slightly more intuitive interface albeit with a few less slick features. Traumatized by indecision and operating on a tight budget (what indy film maker isn't) I opted for a third route and made a MS Word template. It was more work through out the writing process, but in the end the script went through thirteen drafts and was shot and screened on nation television. After that experience however, I was ready to check out what progress the screenplay industry had made in while I was incognito (making a movie). My search turned up a the screen writer's equivalent of 101 Dalmatians, each bearing the moniker “Best Screen Writing Software on the Planet”. While I was dutifully downloading several of the more likely looking suspects. I came across a little GEM called CeltX. Well actually, I found it referenced in several posts and thought the name sounded cheesy (I'm not sure why because I tend to like Celtic things). But after posts of laud reached critical mass I added it to the list downloadees and chucked one of the scareware products. Once I gave CeltX a try however, I found it fairly easy to use and relatively feature full. It was in an early beta at the time and I put it aside for a few months until a less buggy version came out and started using it to forge some new trails through my cranial brier patch.

 

Enter: producers with money and a script in Final Draft format. It wasn't particularly surprising to approached with a Final Draft script. It's somewhat of a standard in the industry and at less than $200 all the gentry and most peasants can afford it. I'd like to show you some of the features of each product as I used them.

 

Installation in for products was a cinch and I won't comment other than to mention that in edition to both programs being available for OS X and Windows, there is a Linux version of CeltX.

 

On to the important stuff:

Features

I won't discuss all the features that both programs have, only special ones, or ones that made a difference to me.

 

Interface

On opening FD, I'll say my first impression is Windows 98. Sort of a Windows 3.1 gray sea with updated icons sailing in neat rows. Most of these icons will be immediately obvious to anyone who has

used a word processor in the last decade, with the exception of the Revision bar.

More on that later. You can customize the menu bar with any of a bunch of icon racks, but several contain duplicate buttons making for inefficient space usage.

 

 

One useful thing is the window splitter, which allows you to look at two parts of the script at once. You can also fill the split side with a scene list navigator or “index cards”. Navigator and script shown.

 

 

 

CeltX opens up with a splash screen, which at first I found annoying, but your recent projects can be opened easily enough and you can also check multiple scripts on the server to see if there is any new work from your collaborators.

 


CeltX shapes up a little cleaner with a simpler one line row of formatting icons and a row of tabs to move between database style detail information and the screenplay; hanging below the the larger control icons.

 

 

Overall I find Final Draft to be a bit stogy and uninspired, but functional in the interface department. CeltX seems a little fresher and... younger. To young? Let's move onto features and see.

 

Writing

As I begin writing a portion of screen play CeltX thoughtfully brings up a list of previously used scene headings. FD does the same, but breaks it down into three parts.

(e.g. Suggesting “EXT” as I type “E”, then “LIVING ROOM” as I type “L”, then “NIGHT” as I type “N”).

 

FD's method is better if your locations fluctuate more, CeltX's if you have more scenes in fewer locations

 


Final Draft

 


CeltX

I continue typing and both correctly take me to an action stance. After my a piece of dialog, CeltX takes me to a character label with a tap at the tab key. FD requires an extra hit at the tab key to do the same thing. Our MAN opens the door and then continues speaking. FD automatically pops in the “(CONT'D)” on the Character line, no fuss no muss. CeltX will gives me a list only of full Character lines that I've typed before.

 

Revisions

Back to that tool bar Final Draft we stopped at in the Interface section. FD supports revisions, in the tool bar image you'll see a row of several icons containing what appear to be large asterisks with green “+” next to them, etc. This is the revision tool bar and quite a useful one at that. Though as far as I can tell it supports only one level of revision, so for instance, this would not be an appropriate feature to use in place of multiple drafts. It can show what has changed since you accepted the last set of changes. It also allows you to jump back and forth between blocks of revised text. You can see revised text in red in a couple of the FD images above.

 

At this time CeltX doesn't support revisions. See list of end Other Features of Note below.

 

Collaboration

 


At the far right of CeltX's main tool bar there is a Web Services button. CeltX allows you to create a public or private website for your script where others can view it or make contributions. All materials such as script notes, calendar, and character or location information can be published as well. You can also log in and download the project if someone else has worked on it.

 

FD has put a little more into the collaboration front. In Final Draft you can work with someone else (who's also shucked out the $$$) at the same time and includes a chat screen to communicate with other writers. One of the writers has control at all times.

 

 

Bookmarks

FD allows you to book mark your script and provides a (anyone?) toolbar to move between them. The feature is useful and CeltX does not support a similar feature at this time.

Notes

In the tutorial on CeltX's website it shows an in-line note button being used very similar to the image of FD below. However, I am unable to find the button, so either it was taken out or it is yet to come. Only time will tell.

What CeltX does have right now is a very basic scratch pad. In my tests when the scratch pad was open my screenplay printed with a blank scratch pad sized margin at the bottom, causing consternation on my part.

 

 

 

 

One useful feature of the Scene Navigator on the CeltX sidebar is the “Send to Scratch pad” button. Visible as a dark pencil icon to the right. This feature, not surprisingly, sends the selected scene to the scratch pad. However, it also cuts it out of the script...

 

To take the notes a bit further though CeltX does provide, what appears to be, a large number of “items”. Each item has a database style entry form and the information can be printed out in the reports.

Final Draft allows in-line notes and give a tool bar to navigate back and forth between them, much like the book marks. Notes are not hidden unless clicked on, but can be printed up in a report. As I mentioned at the beginning of this section. CeltX shows a nearly identical in-line note feature in its feature walk through, but it has gone strangely MIA.

 

Other Features of Note

Final Draft has an impressive amount of word processing options. At almost every turn there are options pertaining to formatting or fonts, etc.

 

Double dialog – Very nice for phone calls

Reads your script aloud – kinda gimmicky, but perhaps useful when you've already annoyed all your friends

Reports – Locations, Cast, etc. nice for going into production. Appear to be more “industry standard” than CeltX.

 

 

 

 

CeltX offers a story board item which allows you to enter pictures with text and then play them in a sort of slide show.

 

 

CeltX Reports: similar to FD, but more combinations and less formatted

 

The calendar is another intersting new feature in CeltX. It allows a Google style schedule to be made and then uploaded on with to the sever.

 

Also of interest is are these feature requests on the CeltX wiki:

Audio Play

Dual column dialogue

Index cards

Text to speech

Version control

 

Usability

As I worked with both programs Final Draft began to shine with supermarket convenience. “Yes, we have it and its on isle 54”. But I grew to enjoy, CeltX's simplicity and lets get it done attitude. Especially, the free collaboration, which I've used to get critiques on my work. For a couple hundred dollars, for each collaborator, I can put up with a few bumps along the way.

 

Support

I have never needed support on either product so I can't vouch for customer service of either company. Both offer knowledge bases, forums, faqs, and manuals. Both offer a phone number as well, but Final Draft charges $2.50 a minute after the first 20 minutes or 90 days. FD's help system is standard and easily recognizable. CeltX does not have a tradition help system, but relies on a Wiki... Welcome wave of the future. At this time I still prefer to have traditional help system, but I've needed it so little that this hasn't hindered my writing at all. NOTE: I've since met a bug in CeltX and posted to the user forums. The staff replied within the day both times. Though they did not have an answer to my problem I found a way to avoid it. The user forum seems quite active.

 

Conclusion

This was not meant to be an exhaustive list of features or a tutorial on how best to use them, but I hope it's given you an overview of the most interesting ones and perhaps put you on the track to choosing the best program for your needs.

 

All in all, I'm writing this from the perspective of an indy film maker. I write, I produce, I direct and have been known to run camera. My feeling is that: yeah Final Draft has some cool features and is perhaps necessary if you're trying to break your scripts into Hollywood, but if your cash strapped, writing for yourself or already have a producer, CeltX does the job just fine.

 

 

Here's the condensed version. “1” worst, “5”is best. Price is not included and is obviously a large factor.

 

 

CeltX 0.9.9.1

Final Draft 7.1.2.32

Installation

3

3

Interface

4

2

Features

3

5

Usability

4

4

Support

3

3

 

 

 

Average

3.4

3.4

 

 

All opinions expressed in this review are those of the author only. It was not meant to be an exhaustive feature list or tutorial. CeltX 0.9.9.1 and Final Draft 7.1.3 Build 32 were used for comparison. Dustin Ledden July 31, 2007

 

 

Comments

8/1/2007

Scottie Moser said...

Thanks! This was really helpful.

4/9/2008

Neil Haran said...

Thanks for the review, it was helpful... But please note that the average point for Celtx is 3.4 as well... please correct the math.

4/14/2008

Dustin said...

Corrected, thanks!

6/25/2008

ED said...

I have had FD7 for a couple of years now - the producer paid for it so that sounded great. But ever so often it seems to decide the program needs to be re-registered or is pirated or something -- and I spend days trying to get the okay from the FD help folks. It is very, very irritating, since the re-registration can only be done during business hours and every time I get grilled like the program must be bootleg. If someone shells out $200 for a program, they ought to be able to use it without jumping through hoops all the time. I would never spend my own money on this program and would put up with many fewer features to avoid this headache. Having the program locked up because my ability to re-register it for the 8th time with a deadline approaching and the registration desk closed is nothing if not infuriating.

4/23/2009

Nick said...

I don't have any money and so when I decided to get out of my novel/short story comfort zone to write screenplays and teleplays, I had to get Celtx. It has been nothing but good to me. I love the interface. From the screenshots of Final Draft, Celtx is far superior. If I wanted it to look like MSWord, I'd have continued using Word (my first and highly short-lived option before I was really serious about it). I find that all the features FD has that Celtx doesn't (and some they do) I never use. I have no need for collaboration tools. Since they're all spec scripts, I don't need a production schedule or other media. It's all I need and with a Google account that allows for calendar collaboration, I assume I'll never need such things even if I do become more successful in the future. Celtx continues to come out with new features and better design that I doubt I'll ever have the mind for pay for what I can get for free. Thanks for the article, though. It was useful to get some validation.

7/9/2009

Shannon+VanWagner said...

Thanks for the in-depth review.. Celtx is now up to version 2.0.2. Any chance we could get a follow up review to see if there are significant differences from the pre-1.0 Celtx?

Thanks!
Shannon V.
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getgnulinux.org

7/28/2009

Peter Lewis said...

Hi, I was also strapped for cash, so went for Celtx, finding it randomly on the web. I like it, though my partner was annoyed that she thought the type or length of the page was greater...but putting up sample scripts using both, they seemed about the same...

8/13/2009

Andrew Hamilton said...

Wow...great discussion here. I started off with Final Draft 5 then upgraded to FD 6. I got SO tired of Final Draft refusing to work without installing the disc, accusing me of stealing the software, etc. that I switched over to Celtx. It works great! and at a price of free...is pretty affordable as well. I agree with the previous poster, I spent over $200 for my Final Draft but never really owned it! It just suddenly starts asking for activation codes years after you've been using it. You have to call the Final Draft help line during business hours and then they give you the 3rd degree and it was just not worth it. Even if I went back to a pay version of scriptwriting software, I would avoid Final Draft like the plague and probably use Screenwriter or something like that.

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1/13/2010

Chris said...

I am new to screenwriting and am so glad I found Celtx first.

1/22/2010

Anisha said...


Hi Dustin,

Just wanna say thanks a million between your comparison with Final Draft and Celtx..im a struggling feature film writer and your breakdown comparisons are exactly what I was looking for in order to know what I would or would not be missing out on with either programme.

Thanks dude
from Sydney Australia

3/24/2010

Rick Bennette said...

I've been using Celtx for years and never had a problem with it. It does everything a screenwriter needs it to do to produce an industry formatted script. The only issue is you must be online in order to convert the celtx file to pdf file (for emailing to actors). The older 0.98 version even works on a 12 year old laptop with windows 98.

3/26/2010

Antony said...

You 'like things celtic'? Why when no-one has the slightest idea who and what they were? If you think it's an Oirish thing (I assume you're American....) you're wrong: there were no 'celts' in the British Isles at all - Galicia (Spain) is the nearest! 'Cheesy' in more ways then one believe me.

Good, informative comparison, for which many thanks.

7/5/2010

Tejas Hosangadi said...

I think that celtx is very much the best screenwriting application. Final Draft is only more popular as it is a name brand

7/6/2010

Ryan said...

You should also consider sites like Scripped.com. Free online screenwriting apps are the future!

8/31/2010

Meeta said...

Hi Scottie,

I am a Development Editor working with Packt. We are planning to publish a book on Celtx. I am looking for technical reviewers to provide feedback on the content of the book. It would be of great help, if you would be willing to take it up. Please visit http://www.packtpub.com/author_reviewing_for_packt for more details regarding reviewing.We will also like you to know that you will be receiving two copies of the book - one eBook or print copy of the book you review and an eBook of your choice from our catalog. *Also, once it is published your name will be credited as well*.

Thanks,
Meeta


3/8/2011

Larry said...

Great review, Dustin!
...But it screams for an update from 2007!
Any plans for one?
Best wishes,
Larry in CT

5/16/2011

andrew said...

The latest version is great. I just wish they would put in a tagger tool and that the double dialogue tool would work. It really has come a long way.

Hopefully Celtx can build a budgeting component to the program.

6/14/2011

M.C said...

Hey Justin,
I just wanted to thank you, for your time to write this. It helps me a lot. I have written a couple plays on notebooks because i never knew how use these software. I just download Celtx and thanks to you, I'm about to use it right now.
Thank you
and stay bless
`M.C

10/15/2011

Robert+H said...

I'm working with Final Draft 8 under Windows, and frankly, it's so bad you'd think it was a pre-release alpha. I mean, criminey, it's up to version 8, and you still cannot save as RTF or plain text, and then turn around and import that RTF or plain text file reliably. Everything gets mislabeled and formatted incorrectly. And that's just one problem.

The Find dialog box is modal, so if you need to find several instances of something and do some editing that a straight replace can't handle, you have to press Ctrl-F, Enter, Escape for each instance instead of just pressing F3 or Ctrl-Page Down like in Word.

There are several frequently used functions that cannot be used just with the keyboard (this may be because Final Draft is primarily a Mac program).

Several styling and formatting changes simply do not work on the Windows version. For example, selecting text, right-clicking it, and selecting "all caps," does not work.

Final Draft support recommends using the Toggle Case function. However, this function isn't in the menus. You have to add it to the toolbar, and using it will require the mouse.

Worse, Toggle Case only uppercases lowercase lettters, of course. But this means that if you have mixed-case text you want to make uppercase, it's going to be a lot of work.

Also, though I don't use the feature, I was reading a pretty upset forum post about CollaboWriter -- apparently people using this feature must have the exact same version of Final Draft, down to the build number.

I've downloaded CeltX because I'm at wits end with Final Draft.

10/15/2011

Robert+H said...

I just posted that the Find dialog box in Final Draft is modal. I was wrong about that, and I can't explain why it seemed so before.

10/16/2011

tommy+mcnulty said...

I paid for two Final drafts over the last seven years. The second ownership copy kept locking up and ironically I decided to use a pirated copy to restore the program. I was tired of calling in and having to explain myself and dealing with the reps. The pirated copy stayed on... I've had to pay twice for the same program and then made to feel like a criminal twice... I feel like I'm living Logans Run or I'm a doomed replicant from Blade Runner when using either the pirated or legally purchased program.

12/7/2012

Dan R said...

I lost every version of my latest script on the celtx cloud. Whats more support were totally unable to help. BE WARNED.

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